How Do You Like It So Far uses pop culture to take soundings of a society in transition, exploring intersections with civic imagination and engagement, and social and political change. Henry Jenkins and Colin Maclay are your guides on this adventure.

Episode 44: On Woke Gaming with Kishonna L. Gray

We’ve got another great episode in store for you How Do You Like it So Far? fans!  This week, Henry and Colin are joined by Kishonna L. Gray, an Assistant Professor in Communication and Gender and Women’s Studies at the University of Illinois at Chicago and Co-Editor of the book Woke Gaming: Digital Challenges to Oppression and Social InjusticeWoke Gaming argues that the intersection between the gaming culture and identity is deeply entangled with systematic exploitation and oppression in mainstream society.  The book also explores what alternatives to mainstream gaming — whether through the indie game movement or fan reworkings and moddings of games — might contribute to the reimagining of games as a medium. Using Assassin’s Creed as an example, Gray discusses here how the dearth of female characters in the game serves as a mirror for the inequalities and social injustices that are pervasive in today’s society.  Her discussion of minorities in gaming includes the Girl Games Movement, Gamergate and the difference between the black gaming culture and the black games movement. Listen in as Gray imagines a world where the gaming culture breaks down persistent racial stereotypes by becoming more diverse, equitable and inclusive.  She even mentions a book that Henry edited in the 1990s!

Here are some of the references from this episode, for those who want to dig a little deeper:


From Barbie to Mortal Kombat: Gender and Computer Games – Henry’s book with Justine Cassell

Follow Up Books to From Barbie to Mortal Kombat:
Beyond Barbie and Mortal Kombat
Diversifying Barbie and Mortal Kombat

Gaming Devices:

Apex Legend for the PC
World of Warcraft
League of Legends
Super Smash Bros.
Call of Duty
Assassin’s Creed – no female characters

Examples of games from Woke Gaming:
Hair Nah

Black women in gaming

FanCons – public gaming spaces

Games are a medium, not a genre – insight from Scott McCloud’s Understanding Comics

Triple AAA games

Minorities in gaming

White males have more access to games

Read-Write Web

Black youths savvy with technology

Pokemon Go → Southside of Chicago:
Tech inaccessible on the Southside

Esports hybrid network in libraries

Girl Games Movement:
Brenda Laurel – a key leader of the Girls Games Movement

Black Games Movement
Lincoln Clay – Mafia III storyline

Race Games Movement:
Diversifying video games
Black female gamers


David Leonard 

Joan Joda 

Lisa Nakamura

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Episode 43: Sex Work and Podcasting: A Conversation with Vanessa Carlisle, Siouxsie Q and Kaytlin Bailey

Here’s to another week and another episode How Do You Like it So Far? fans!  We have a two-part series for you where Colin and Henry welcome Lauren Levitt, a Ph.D. Candidate in Communications at USC Annenberg and a former student of Henry’s as a guest interviewer for a special sex workers and podcasting episode.  In Part One, Lauren interviews Siouxsie Q, a sex worker, a policy advocate and organizer for the ACLU Southern California, and co-host of the podcast Ill-Repute, along with Vanessa Carlisle, a Professor of Queer Studies at California State University, Northridge and creator of the On the Dresser podcast.  They unravel common misconceptions about sex work and the complicated relationship between feminism and the sex workers rights movement.  They weigh in on the current policies, such as SESTA/FOSTA, and their attempt to dismantle the industry and endanger the safety of sex workers.  In Part Two, Lauren speaks to Kaytlin Bailey, the creator of The Oldest Profession Podcast, a stand up comic and the Director of Communications for Decriminalize Sex Work.  They discuss the difference between sex work and human trafficking and the law enforcement mindset of rescuing sex workers from their professions.  They also examine the role of sex work in popular culture from HBO’s The Deuce TV show to the recent release of mega-hit Hustlers. Listen in as Lauren, Colin and Henry speak to these extraordinary women about their work and the importance of sex workers claiming their own narratives in popular culture.  

Here are some of the things mentioned in this episode, for those who want to dig a little deeper:

History of Sex Worker Rights

Sex Work is World’s Oldest Profession
     Transactional sex between animals

Definition of Sex Work

Movies, TV Shows and Music Mentioned in this Podcast:
The Deuce
     Season 2, Episode 7 about decriminalizing sex work
Hustlers Movie
     Hired Jacq the Stripper as a consultant 
Cam Movie
Peep Show Podcast
Taxi Driver
RuPaul’s Drag Race
Paris is Burning

A Little about Siouxsie: 
Worked at the Lusty Lady in San Francisco
A part of  the Adult Performers Advocacy Committee
Siouxsie’s Piece for Rolling Stone
Whorecast – Siouxsie’s Podcast from 2012 (Discontinued)

Vanessa’s Don’t Hate My Heels Zine

Episodes from Siouxsie’s Ill-Repute Podcast:
Co-host – Sovereign Syre
Anne Bonny + Mary Reed
Lizzie Borden
Women of Trump

Policies and Laws Discussed in the Episode: 
Proposition 35
     Amends Communications Decency Act of 1996
     Doesn’t impact trafficking
     Internet as a platform for sex workers to screen their clients
SB 233
SWOP (Sex Worker Outreach Project) Sacramento
Kristen DiAngelo
     Pearl Callahan
Proposition 60

Scott Wiener sponsor of the bill
SWOP (Sex Worker Outreach Project) Sacramento
Kristen DiAngelo
     Pearl Callahan
Proposition 60

Difference between Sex Work and Sex Trafficking

Federal anti-trafficking funding for local law enforcement

Officials No Longer Prosecuting Prostitution: 
George S. Gascon (former San Francisco District Attorney)
Tiffany Caban (Queens District Attorney)

McDonald’s Sexual Harassment Lawsuit

Combahee River Collective

Robert Kraft (Owner of the New England Patriots) Sting

Saving sex workers

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Please note: PJ and Jessie Sage are actually from Pittsburgh

Episode 42: From Radio to Podcasting – Insight from Tina Antolini (Gravy), Scott Carrier (Home of the Brave) and Trey Kay (Us & Them)

Welcome back How Do You Like it So Far? fans!  This week, we have a special treat for you — an unreleased episode of Colin and Henry’s first ever recording from September 25, 2017.  For this “throwback,” we are joined by Peabody-Award-Winning storytellers and radio veterans-turned-podcasting heavyweights, Tina Antolini (former Host and Producer of Gravy), Scott Carrier, (Writer and Producer of Home of the Brave) and Trey Kay (Curator and Producer of Us & Them).  Our guests remark on the surprising differences they encountered moving from public radio to producing podcasts.  They interview one another on how the structure and intimacy of podcasts lends itself to listener engagement and authentic storytelling without compromising their own styles.  Antolini, Carrier and Kay discuss how the radio-to-podcast transition has opened up a market for 1:1 conversational type podcasts where listeners feel fully invested in the shows and fueled the explosion of amazing niche subject matter podcasts.

Here are some of the references from this episode, for those who want to dig a little deeper:

Shift from Radio to Podcasts
Personal Essays on Podcasts

Appeal of Podcasts:
One-on-One with the listener
Listener Engagement and Involvement
Trey Kay’s Mad Magazine piece

Narrow Group of Public Radio Shows in the Past:
This American Life
Studio 360
The Splendid Table

This American Life with Ira Glass:
Jack Hitt
Sarah Vowel
David Sedaris

New Journalism Method for Podcasting:
Tom Wolfe
Hunter S. Thompson

West VA Public Broadcasting

The Great Textbook War (Radio Documentary)
Interview with Alice Moore on textbook controversy

Some of our favorite episodes from our guests:
Gravy (Tina Antolini) – Korean BBQ in Coolsville: A Memphis Report | Southern Foodways Alliance
Home of the Brave (Scott Carrier) – Trump Supporters and Running with the Antelope
(The latter episode became a book
Us & Them (Trey Kay) – Trey & Alice

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